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092- Interview: Addressing Nighttime Urination & Insomnia in Aging

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092- Interview: Addressing Nighttime Urination & Insomnia in AgingLeslie Kernisan, MD MPH
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Dr. K talks with geriatrician Shachi Tyagi, MD, Assistant Professor of Medicine at the University of Pittsburg. Her research focuses on two common issues in older adults, insomnia and having to urinate at night (nocturia). They discuss:

  • Why nocturia becomes common as we age
  • Common health problems that may be related to nocturia
  • The relationship between nocturia and sleep problems
  • How nocturia should be assessed and how it can be managed
  • “Brief behavioral treatment” and other recommended insomnia treatments that can also improve nocturia
  • Why sleep medications should be avoided in aging
  • How to reduce the risk of nighttime falls related to nocturia
  • Options for addressing nocturia and sleep issues in dementia
  • Tips on tracking bladder and sleep symptoms, and how to get help from your health providers

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Related Resources:

    • Studies published by Dr. Tyagi
      • Behavioral Treatment of Chronic Insomnia in Older Adults: Does Nocturia Matter?
      • Behavioral Treatment of Insomnia: Also Effective for Nocturia
      • Nocturnal Polyuria in Older Women with Urge Urinary Incontinence: Role of Sleep Quality, Time in Bed, and Medications Used
    • American Urological Association: Urology Care Foundation
      • Educational Materials
      • Bladder Diary
      • Nocturia Treatment & Diagnosis
    • National Sleep Foundation
      • Nocturia & Frequent Urination at Night
    • BHWA
      • How Sleep Affects Health & Changes with Aging
      • 5 Top Causes of Sleep Problems in Aging, & Proven Ways to Treat Insomnia
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  1. Alex says

    November 15, 2019 at 1:55 PM

    My dad is 93 year old he suffer with light form ofdementia and he will not sleep during the night. He keep getting up all the time to go to the bathroom up to 50 times a night and keep forgetting that he has already been. He can’t walk by himself so my brother has been looking after him for over a year now. He been taking sleeping pills really strong but not effecr on him. We don’t know what else to do. My brother he is getting ill. Please anyone can advise me something. Thank you

    Reply
    • Leslie Kernisan, MD MPH says

      November 15, 2019 at 4:42 PM

      This can be a tough situation. As Dr. Tyagi mentions in the article, normally the ideal would be to evaluate his urinary frequency, to try to determine what’s causing it and to see if it’s possible to help him need to urinate less at night. For instance, we would check to see if he is often retaining urine in his bladder, and only having frequent very small pees. (If this is the case, finding a way to more substantially empty his bladder each time might help.) Sometimes making changes to medications can help with this. There are also other behavioral approaches to try to adjust a person’s urination schedule.

      From a practical perspective, some approaches families sometimes use include:
      – putting the mattress on the floor, so that the person can’t get up and fall as easily
      – encouraging a bedside urinal
      – having the person wear an adult diaper at night, and reassuring them it’s ok to use it

      I also have more suggestions on sleep and dementia here: How to Manage Sleep Problems in Dementia. good luck!

      Reply
  2. Kailah says

    April 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM

    Hi! My grandma kept telling me how hard for her to sleep when it is passed midnight. I didn’t gave it attention because I thought it was just because she sleep early. However just today, she told me thay she didn’t get any sleep at all. She also been peeing on her pants recently. I just wanna know if she’s struggling from an illness or it’s normal for aging adults.
    Looking forward for your immediate response.

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      April 10, 2020 at 11:30 AM

      Hi Kailah. In general, people require less sleep as they get older, probably between 6 and 8 hours is sufficient. There can be many reasons why a person is having trouble sleeping, and needing to urinate at night can be one of them.

      Incontinence of urine isn’t a normal part of aging, but it can be more common in older adults. Here’s a video that might be helpful.

      Reply
  3. Danielle says

    April 15, 2020 at 1:57 PM

    You mention “reassuring them it’s ok to use the diaper” is easier said then done. Any tips besides sharing that we are unable to safely get them in and out of bed at night, and that this needs to be a team effort and there using the diaper is their contribution.

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      April 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM

      Hi Danielle. You’re right that there’s no easy answer to such a complex and exhausting challenge. I have heard from my patients’ care partners that there can be a lot of trial and error with finding an incontinence product that doesn’t leak and feels comfortable, and that may help. Sometimes it’s necessary to insert an extra product into a brief for example. Knowing your family member best, there may be another key phrase that makes it acceptable for them to urinate in the product rather than get up. Don’t give up.

      Reply
  4. In says

    May 31, 2020 at 10:26 PM

    85 year old just cannot sleep with diapers on. As a result he is not sleeping in night or day. Any solutions

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      June 1, 2020 at 1:18 PM

      For some older adult males, a condom catheter can be more comfortable than a diaper, believe it or not. This involves putting a condom on the penis, which is then connected to a catheter that is connected to a bag. The person can stay dry without a diaper, They aren’t foolproof but might be worth exploring in a situation like the one you describe.

      Reply
  5. Minal mehta says

    July 25, 2020 at 6:48 PM

    Hi my mother is 85 and she has to urinate or is having to use the washroom every 45 min so is there any soliciting to this place advice ASAP

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      July 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM

      Urinary frequency is invariably complex to sort out. My approach is to start by ruling out any reversible problems, like a urinary tract infection, high blood glucose or blood calcium level, medications, or lifestyle habits. After that, it’s a matter of reviewing the person’s symptoms in detail and looking for specific patterns that can give clues to the cause of the frequent urination. In short, there usually isn’t an ASAP answer, but taking a careful and thorough approach, as we do in Geriatrics, is most likely to get results.

      Reply
  6. LP says

    August 2, 2020 at 11:09 PM

    Hello,

    My grandma frequently urinates in her sleep and my family tries to wake her in the middle of the night for a bathroom visit to either change her depends pad or so that she doesn’t go in it in the first place. Sometimes she’s compliant but other times she’s not and says she’d rather sleep (even though we know this means she could potentially be sitting in a soaked diaper for many hours. She typically sleeps from 11pm to 2pm the next day).

    Is it better to let her sleep and have her sit in a wet diaper for up to 10+ hours? Or continue attempts at changing her/taking her to the toilet at regular time intervals (Ie every 5ish hours) even though it means breaking up her sleep and potentially causing agitation?

    She is 94 and has early dementia. She also has vocalizations from time to time that may contribute to lack of sleep.

    Thank you!!

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      August 5, 2020 at 4:46 PM

      Thanks for sharing your story and I’m sorry to hear about the nighttime difficulties that your grandmother is having.

      In a situation like the one you’re describing, it seems inevitable that a person who is in bed for 15 hours will need to get up and urinate at some point, and staying in a wet diaper is a risk factor for skin problems and infection. But as with many things in Geriatrics, this would likely be a bit of trade-off and waking someone from sleep for any reason risks that they will have trouble getting back to sleep and be cranky.

      One approach is to try to make the trip to the toilet as short and simple as possible, for example, using a bedside commode. If an older person with dementia wakes up with vocalizations, going to the toilet might help to calm the person down and promote getting back to sleep. It would also be helpful to review medications to determine if there are any that are contributing to over-sedation. Sometimes incontinence medications can help with nighttime urination, so that might be worth discussing as well.

      Reply
  7. Sylvia Crosby says

    January 26, 2021 at 9:42 AM

    Just listened to you and Ast Professor Tyagi on nocturia – thank you, it was an very good interview and Professor Tyagi was excellent at explaining things; I wish she was in the UK so I can visit her!

    I am 82 years old and suffer from nocturia but my problem is that I cannot empty my bladder fully, haven’t been able to for years and years, my mother had a same problem in her old age. I also have problems sleeping so I am an excellent example of what Professor Tyagi described.

    Reply
    • Nicole Didyk, MD says

      January 26, 2021 at 5:23 PM

      I’m so glad you enjoyed that podcast! It’s one of my favorites. I’m sorry to hear about your difficulty with bladder emptying, and this can be a common issue, often in those with diabetes. What a urologist usually recommends is a schedule of regular voiding to try to keep the bladder as empty as possible. If a lot of urine is left in the bladder, some individuals use a catheter intermittently. I hope you find some relief and thanks again for listening.

      Reply

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