It’s that time of the year: fall, which I think of as flu vaccination time.
I always think getting a flu vaccine is a good idea for most older adults. In these COVID pandemic times, I think it’s even more important.ย So I agree with the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which is urging that people get vaccinated against influenza early in the fall (before the end of October 2024).
Now, vaccination against seasonal influenza can seem like a bit of a tricky topic.ย Many older adults are skeptical of the need to get a yearly vaccination against influenza. They arenโt sure it will help. Or they think that the vaccination will actually give them a mild case of the flu. Or they just donโt like needles.
Or maybe they arenโt sure which type of seasonal flu shot to get: the regular one or one of the newer โstrongerโ versions, designed for older adults?
And now that we have COVID-19 to contend with, vaccination for seasonal influenza might feel even more confusing for people.ย
Don’t let yourself be confused. In this article, I will share with you what I know about influenza vaccination and what I’ve learned about influenza in COVID times. I also have updates on the stronger flu vaccines that are now recommended for older adults.
This year, I agree with the CDC that it’s important for people to get their seasonal flu shot, and if you are an older adult, I recommend getting one of the three flu vaccines specifically recommended for older adults. (See below for more on these!)
Note: If you are age 65 or older and it’s been more than 2 months since your last COVID booster, you may be able to get your COVID fall booster shot at the same time. (For more on the fall 2024 COVID booster, see COVID & Aging Adults: 2024-2025 Updates)
In “normal” pre-COVID times, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that every year, influenza affects 9-45 million Americans, causes 140,000-810,100 hospitalizations, and results in 12,000-61,000 deaths. In most years, influenza vaccination does help reduce hospitalizations and deaths (I go into details below).
And now this fall, this will be our fifth winter dealing with COVID-19 as well. (Plus there is now RSV!) As of September 2024, we still have 500-900 people dying of COVID every week, most of whom are people over age 65. We don’t know for sure what will happen this fall, but since COVID seems to spread more when people are indoors and in proximity to the exhalations of others, it’s likely that COVID will get worse again this winter.
So this year, it’s important to do what you can to reduce respiratory illness, to protect yourself, and to protect others. And getting vaccinated against influenza is one of the things we can do.
In fact, Iโm about to go get mine. As a healthy woman in her 40s, Iโm not that concerned about getting dangerously ill from influenza. Instead, I get my annual flu shot because I want to minimize my chance of getting sick and perhaps exposing my older patients to influenza.
Hereโs what Iโll cover in this article:
- The basics of influenza and vaccination against the flu
- What we know about influenza and COVID-19
- What to know about flu shots for older adults & the CDC’s new recommendations specifically for older adults
- Whatโs new and resources for the 2024-2025 flu season
- Which influenza vaccination is probably best for most older adults
- What to do if your older parent or relative is unwilling or unable to get vaccinated
- Whether it’s more important to get a flu shot or a COVID vaccination (or a booster)
The basics of influenza and vaccination against the flu
Q: What is influenza?
A: Influenza is a contagious respiratory viral illness, caused by influenza A or influenza B virus. It usually causes symptoms such as sore throat, stuffy nose, cough, fever, and body aches. In the Northern hemisphere, influenza is most common in the winter. Peak influenza activity usually occurs between December and February, but it can start as early as October and occur as late as May.
In โuncomplicatedโ influenza, the flu causes symptoms similar to โ but usually worse than โ a very bad cold, and then these get better over 5-7 days. Most people who catch the flu experience uncomplicated influenza, with some people experiencing more significant symptoms than others. In fact, some people (14%, in one study) will catch the flu and shed some flu virus, yet not report any symptoms!
However, influenza does sometimes cause more serious health problems, which we call โcomplications.โ These are more likely to happen to people who are older, have other chronic conditions, or have a weakened immune system.
The most common complication of influenza is pneumonia, which means a serious infection of the lungs. Such cases of pneumonia are sometimes purely viral. But itโs more common for them to be caused by bacteria, who are able to infect the lungs due to the body being weakened by influenza infection.
Many older adults also appear to experience worsenings of any chronic heart or lung conditions, when they experience influenza. These complications of influenza often cause hospitalization or even death.
To learn more about the basics of influenza, and for more on diagnosing and treating the flu, see:
Q: What is the usual impact of influenza, and is it worse for older adults?
Influenza is more severe in some years than others.ย ย For instance, the 2017-2018 season was particularly severe, with an estimated 52,000 deaths related to the flu. The 2018-2019 season wasn’t as bad, but still had a real impact: theย CDC estimates that there were 29 million flu illnesses that year, causing an estimated 28,000ย flu deaths.ย For 2019-2020, the CDC estimates that there were 35 million flu-related illnesses and 20,000 flu deaths.
Now, most people get better without needing hospitalization, but some people get very sick. Older adults are especially likely to get dangerously ill from catching the flu.
Note:ย The information above is from pre-COVID times. In the winter of 2020-2021, influenza cases were much much lower than usual, probably due to masking and social distancing associated with the coronavirus pandemic. The flu season for 2021-2022 was also relatively mild.
However, for 2022-2023, flu activity was worse, with the CDC estimating 31 million flu-related illnesses and 21,000 flu deaths. And preliminary data suggests that the 2023-2024 flu season was significantly worse than the prior year.
In comparison, as of September 2024, the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over 34,000 Americans have died of COVID so far this year. (So although the flu has a real impact most years, COVID continues to have a bigger impact.)
Q: How does the flu shot help protect one from influenza, and how effective is it?
A: The flu vaccine works by stimulating the body to produce antibodies against whatever strains of influenza were included in that yearโs vaccine.ย After vaccination, it takes about two weeks for the bodyโs immune system to create its influenza antibodies.
Our bodies are able to fight off viral infections much more quickly if we already have matching antibodies available when a virus tries to create illness in our bodies. If we donโt have matching antibodies available, then weโll experience more illness, and it will take longer for our immune systems to control the infection.
The tricky thing about influenza is this: both influenza A and B have a tendency to be constantly changing into slightly different strains. This means that every year, scientists must study what influenza strains are present, and try to predict which ones weโll be exposed to, during the coming winter. Influenza vaccines are then developed, to match those strains. (This is why the flu shot has to be given every year.)
Sometimes the scientific prediction works out well. In this case, we say that the vaccine was well-matched to the influenza viruses circulating that winter, and influenza vaccination will have been more effective in preventing the flu.
But there are years in which the influenza strains that circulate the most in the winter are not the ones that scientists were expecting. These are the years in which the influenza vaccine is not well-matched, and there tends to be more illnesses and hospitalizations.
The CDC estimates that when the vaccine is well-matched to the circulating influenza viruses, flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60%, for the overall population.
Several different flu vaccines are available every year. Some vaccines used to be “quadrivalent”; these protected against two strains of influenza A and two strains of influenza B. However, since one strain of influenza B has not been seen since 2020, for 2024-2025, all available flu vaccines in the US are “trivalent” and protect against two types of influenza A and one strain of influenza B.
For 2023-2024, all flu vaccines are trivalent.
Vaccines also vary in terms of whether they are โstandard-doseโ versus โhigh-dose,โ and one type includes an โadjuvant,โ which is an additive designed to increase the immune systemโs response to the vaccine. (More response is better, in that it means more protection from future infection.) Iโll discuss high-dose and adjuvant vaccines later in this article, in the section addressing flu shots for aging adults.
You can find a list of all available influenza vaccines in the Table 1 of this CDC document.
For more information:
- Key Facts About Seasonal Flu Vaccine (CDC)
- Vaccine Effectiveness โ How Well Does the Flu Vaccine Work? (CDC)
- Understanding How Vaccines Work (CDC)
- Influenza vaccines โ United States, 2024-2025 influenza season
Q: Can you get the flu from the flu shot? What are the risks and side effects of influenza vaccination?
A: No, you canโt get the flu from a flu shot. Most of the currently recommended vaccines are made with โinactivatedโ virus (which means the virus has been killed and canโt become alive again). There is also one vaccine available that was made using โrecombinantโ technology (which means they have cobbled together virus proteins). It is not possible for these vaccines to give you influenza.
There is also a โlive attenuatedโ form of flu shot (FluMist), available for people ages 2-49, which is given by nasal spray. This contains a weakened form of influenza virus. It has historically been popular with children.ย
The most common side-effect of the flu shot is arm soreness, and sometimes redness. People do sometimes report body aches, fever, or cough after the flu shot. But a randomized trial found that these are equally common in people who had just had saline injected, so these symptoms are either due to getting sick from something else after your flu shot, or perhaps to even expecting to feel lousy after your flu shot.
Serious adverse effects related to the flu shot are very rare.
For more information:
Q: What are the best ways to protect oneself from influenza and its complications?
A: To reduce your risk of getting sick from the flu or a flu-like illness, itโs best to combine two approaches:
- Minimize your exposure to people spreading the influenza virus in the winter.
- Take steps to bolster your immune system, so that if you do get exposed to the influenza virus, youโll be less likely to get very sick.
Older adults should also make sure they are up-to-date on pneumococcal vaccination. (These are one-time, not yearly). Pneumococcal vaccination helps reduce the risk of certain types of bacterial pneumonia and other potential complications of influenza. A 2016 meta-analysis concluded that being vaccinated for both influenza and pneumococcus was associated with a lower risk of pneumonia and death.
For a very long time, the pneumococcal vaccine recommended for all adults aged 65+ was the pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (“PPSV23”), brand name Pneumovax. However, in 2021, the CDC updated its pneumococcal vaccination recommendations for older adults, in part to incorporate the use of some of the newer pneumococcus vaccines.
You can see the latest pneumococcal vaccination recommendations here: CDC Pneumococcal Vaccination.ย For more on pneumococcal vaccination, also seeย 26 Preventive Services for Older Adults (Vaccination section).
Pneumococcal vaccines can be administered at the same time as the annual influenza vaccination.
Minimizing your exposure to influenza virus
The main way people get exposed to influenza is when they breathe in air droplets containing the influenza virus. These droplets are created when people infected with influenza virus talk, sneeze, or cough. The CDC estimates that a person infected with the influenza virus may be contagious for one day prior to developing symptoms, and 5-7 days after getting sick.
Influenza virus can also survive for up to two days. The virus survives for much less time on soft surfaces, such as used tissues and bed linens.
Based on these facts, the best ways to minimize exposure to influenza are to:
- Avoid exposure to people who may be infected with influenza.
- Clean household surfaces, especially hard surfaces such as counters, and especially if someone living with you has been sick.
- Wash your hands often, especially before touching your eyes, nose, or mouth.
- Minimize your time near people who have not been vaccinated for influenza.
- Your risk of influenza exposure is reduced if people around you โ family members, co-workers, fellow residents of your living facility โ are vaccinated for influenza.
COVID precautions, such as wearing an N95-type mask indoors and ventilating indoor spaces will also help minimize your exposure to influenza.
Bolstering your immune system
Since we are social creatures and live in communities, we all have a good chance of being exposed to the influenza virus at some point. Whether we get sick from this exposure, and how sick we get, depends on how well our immune system can fight off the influenza virus.
Ways to bolster your immune system are:
- Be vaccinated against seasonal influenza. If the vaccine is a good match with circulating viruses and you have a good antibody response, this is probably the best way to prepare your immune system to beat influenza.
- Take good care of your health and body. This includes addressing healthy lifestyle basics such as not smoking, getting adequate sleep, avoiding chronic stress, and more. For a good review of whatโs known about strengthening the immune system, see: How to boost your immune system (Harvard Health Review)
What we know about COVID-19 and influenza (and RSV)
Q: How are COVID-19 and influenza similar, and how are they different?
A: COVID-19 and influenza have many similarities, but also many differences. (You should also know that RSV symptoms also have many similarities with flu and COVID; learn more in this article: Respiratory Syncytial Virus: What to Know About RSV & RSV Vaccines in Aging.)
The main similarities between COVID and influenza are:
- Both viruses are mostly spread through an airborne route. This means that steps you take to protect yourself from COVID-19, such as social distancing measures and avoiding crowded indoor spaces, will likely reduce your risk of catching influenza as well.
- The initial symptoms of infection have a lot in common.ย Namely, both often start with “upper respiratory symptoms” such as cough, runny nose, fatigue, fever, and body aches. This means it will be difficult to tell the two conditions apart, unless laboratory testing is used.
- Both are more likely to cause severe illness in people who are older or frail.
Even though both viruses often cause viral pneumonia, there are significant differences between the two. They are actually quite different types of viruses. The differences include:
- People appear to be infectious for longer, with COVID-19.
- In “mild” COVID-19 (meaning hospitalization is not required), people seem to be sick for longer than with the flu.
- The antivirals known to be active against influenza (such asย oseltamivir) do not work against COVID-19.
- Similarly, antivirals that work against COVID, such as Paxlovid, do not work against influenza.
- COVID-19 has been noted to cause more severe and more varied illness in the body than influenza, including clotting disorders, inflammation of organs other than the lungs, persisting long-term symptoms in some patients, and more.
- Although COVID-19 and flu viruses spread in similar ways, COVID-19 seems to be more contagious under certain circumstances.
- Although the mortality rate for COVID-19 is still being debated (we still don’t know exactly how many people have had COVID-19), in adults of all ages, it appears to be higher than that of influenza.
In short, influenza and COVID-19 are similar in terms of how they spread and common initial symptoms. But COVID-19 has so far caused more serious disease, and at this time, remains harder to treat, in part because it seems to affect the body in more significant ways than influenza usually does.
For more on the similarities and differences between influenza, COVID-19, and RSV:
- CDC:ย Similarities and Differences between Flu and COVID-19โ
- CDC: Protect yourself from COVID-19, Flu, and RSV
- Respiratory Syncytial Virus: What to Know About RSV & RSV Vaccines in Aging
Q: Is it possible to get influenza and COVID-19 at the same time? How do they affect each other?
A: Yes, over the past few years, some people have been found to be coinfected with influenza and COVID-19 at the same time.
We’re still learning about how coinfection affects health. Research so far suggests that coinfection increases the risk of severe health outcomes.
Since coinfection is definitely possible, a hospitalized person sick with COVID should still be checked for influenza.
What to know about flu shots for older adults
Q: Is the flu vaccine effective for older adults?
A: You may have heard people say that the flu shot doesnโt work in older people. This is not entirely correct.
Now, itโs true that flu vaccine is usually less effective in older adults because aging immune systems tend to not respond as vigorously to the vaccine. In other words, older adults tend to create fewer antibodies in response to vaccination. So if they are later exposed to flu virus, they have a higher chance of falling ill, compared to younger adults.
But โless effectiveโ doesnโt mean โnot at all effective.โ For the 2017-2018 flu season, the CDC estimates that vaccination prevented about 700,000 influenza cases and 65,000 hospitalizations, for adults aged 65 and older.
For more on the effectiveness of influenza vaccination in older adults, see:
- Vaccine Effectiveness โ How Well Does the Flu Vaccine Work? (You can jump to the section โHow effective is the flu vaccine in the elderly?โ by using the โOn this Pageโ menu, to the right.)
- Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness in Older Adults Compared with Younger Adults Over Five Seasons
To provide more effective vaccination to aging immune systems, vaccine makers have developed โstrongerโ vaccines against the flu, which I explain in the next section.
Q: Are there flu shots specifically designed for older adults?
Yes! Over the past several years, vaccine makers have developed vaccines that are designed to work better with an aging immune system. Most research studies to date show that these stimulate aging immune systems to produce more antibodies to influenza. Thereโs also some evidence that these vaccines reduce the risk of being hospitalized for influenza.
In 2022, for the very first time, the CDCโs Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) decided to recommend certain influenza vaccines specifically for older adults. You can read about this exciting development here: ACIP Flu Meeting Update: Flu Vaccines Worked Better than Reported & ACIP Recommends Specific Vaccines For Seniors.
For 2024-2025, there are three influenza vaccines that are specifically recommended for people aged 65 and older:
- Fluzone High-Dose: This vaccine contains four times the amount of antigen, compared to Fluzone standard-dose. It is approved for adults age 65+.ย
- Studies have found that the high-dose vaccine does improve antibody response. A study published in 2017 also found that use of the high-dose vaccine in nursing-homes was associated with a lower risk of hospitalization during flu season.
- Fluad: This vaccine contains an โadjuvant,โ which is an additive meant to stimulate a better immune response to the vaccine.ย
- An Italian study found that this vaccine resulted in higher antibody titers, among older adults. Another study published in 2020 found that this vaccine “stimulated a superior antibody profile.”
- An industry-funded systematic review & meta-analysis published in 2021 concluded that the trivalent version of this vaccine was effective in reducing influenza illness among older adults.
- A 2024 study found that this vaccine might be more effective than a high-dose influenza vaccine in older adults with multiple high-risk health factors.
- Flublok: This is a recombinant protein influenza vaccine. It is approved for use in people 18 years and older, and as of 2022, it’s also specifically recommended for older adults.
- Per the CDC announcement, “It is made using different production technology than the inactivated influenza vaccines and contains three times the antigen dose compared with standard-dose inactivated flu vaccines. The higher dose of antigen is intended to give people 65 years and older a better immune response to vaccination, and therefore, better protection against flu.”
Note: The ACIP says there is not yet enough data available to say which of the above three vaccines is better for older adults. Also, if none of these three are available to you, it’s fine to get a standard flu shot for adults.
For more information on flu shots for older adults, see:
- CDC: Flu & People 65 Years and Older
- Fluzone High-Dose Seasonal Influenza Vaccine
- FLUAD Flu Vaccine With Adjuvant
- Flublok Recombinant Influenza Vaccine
Q: Does Medicare cover the cost of influenza vaccination?
Yes, yearly influenza vaccination is 100% covered by Medicare, with no deductible or co-pay. So if you get your flu shot from a health provider that accepts Medicare payment, there should be no cost.
Q:ย Is it more important to get a flu shot or a COVID vaccine/booster?
Don’t choose between them, just get both! Per the CDC, you can get a flu vaccine and a COVID vaccine at the same visit.
That said, if you’re reluctant to get both and really want to know which is more likely to make a difference to your risk of being hospitalized this winter…
If for some reason, you haven’t yet gotten vaccinated against COVID: I’d go with COVID vaccination. And if you are older: make sure you keep getting your annual COVID vaccine!ย COVID is just much more dangerous than influenza.
Also, the mRNA COVID vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer) have proven to be extremely effective at protecting older adults against hospitalization due to COVID, especially if you stay up-to-date on boosters. (See my COVID vaccination article for more.)
Now, if you have been vaccinated against COVID in the past and are wondering if a fall COVID shot or a flu shot is more likely to help you…well, we don’t really know for sure…but last year, about twice as many people died from COVID as from influenza.
Really: the best is to just get updated protection again both influenza and COVID. (And then take precautions to minimize exposure to respiratory illnesses this winter.)
Whatโs new and resources for the 2024-2025 flu season
The CDC maintains a page dedicated to the current flu season. There is a section for the public and also a section for providers. This is a good place to get up-to-date information on influenza and influenza vaccination. You can find it here:
- 2024-2025 Flu Season ย (main page)
- Frequently Asked Flu Questions 2024-2025 Influenza Season (main page for the public)
Note that the CDC’s Flu FAQ page currently includes lots of information about influenza and COVID-19, such as how to tell them apart, why it’s safe to be vaccinated for both at the same time, and more.
The CDC also provides information specific to older adults here:
Which influenza vaccination is best for older adults?
Looking at the list of available flu shots can be overwhelming. In looking at this yearโs CDC table of available influenza vaccines, I counted eight options that are available for people aged 65 or older:
- 4 standard-dose inactivated vaccines (Afluria, Fluarix, FluLaval, Fluzone)
- 1 standard-dose inactivated vaccine manufactured with a newer โcell culture-basedโ technology (Flucelvax)
- 1 high-dose quadrivalent inactivated vaccine (Fluzone High-Dose)
- 1 standard-dose quadrivalent adjuvanted inactivated vaccine (Fluad)
- 1 quadrivalent recombinant vaccine (Flublok)
Only Fluzone High-Dose and Fluad are restricted to people 65 years or older.
For 2024-2025, the CDC is recommending these three influenza vaccines for adults aged 65 and older:
- Fluzone High-Dose
- Fluad
- Flublok
So if you are an older adult, or if youโre trying to arrange a flu shot for an aging relative, which flu vaccine should you try to get?
My take is this: if you have a choice, go for one of the three vaccines listed above.
Why? Because we know that as people get older, their immune systems tend to respond less vigorously to immunization. And because research suggests that these three types of flu shots generate higher antibody titers and have been associated with better influenza outcomes.
Bottom line:
- What is most important is to get any type of flu vaccination that is approved for your age.
- Research suggests that older adults are more likely to benefit from an influenza vaccine designed to provide a stronger stimulus to the immune system, such as Fluzone High-Dose, Fluad, or Flublok.
- If you are under age 65, you might get better protection from a vaccine that is recombinant (Flublok) rather than made from an inactivated vaccine.
- Flumist, the nasally administered vaccine, is available only to people age 2-49, and so is not an option for older adults.
What to do if your older parent or relative is unwilling or unable to get vaccinated
Now, what if your older parent wonโt, or canโt, get a flu shot?
Some older adults just donโt want to get it. Here are some things you can try:
- Ask them to clarify what their concerns are. Itโs important to start by listening, in order to understand what an older person believes about the flu and the flu shot.
- Provide information to dispel myths and misunderstandings. Sometimes all people need is a little of the right kind of information.
- Point out that it can benefit an older personโs family members and neighbors. Getting a flu shot can reduce the risk that we pass the flu on to another person. People are sometimes more willing to take action to protect others than to protect their own health.
- Make sure they know they wonโt have to pay for the flu shot. If you get the shot from a provider who takes Medicare, it shouldnโt cost anything.
- Offer to go together to get your flu shots. Sometimes it helps to make it a family outing.
There are also some older adults for whom itโs hard to get a flu shot, such as people who are homebound or have very limited transportation options.
If this is your situation, the main thing to do is encourage flu shots (and COVID vaccination!) for family and others coming to the house. For older adults who donโt get out much, their main source of exposure to influenza and other dangerous viruses will be from those who come to them.
Above all, donโt panic if your older loved one canโt or wonโt get a flu shot.
Although Iโve just written a long article encouraging flu vaccination for older adults, the truth is this: most years, the chance of getting very sick or dying from influenza are small. Although some seasons, such as the 2017-2018 season, are unusually severe; most years are less severe. (I fully expect that more respiratory illnesses will be related to COVID-19, so prioritize COVID vaccination and boosters!)
Being vaccinated certainly helps make this chance smaller. But not every older person is interested in doing everything possible to reduce the danger of illness. Vaccination is important from a public health perspective, but most people survive flu season whether or not theyโve been vaccinated.
Personally, I think itโs worth getting vaccinated because thereโs a small chance that youโll avoid the misery of having influenza.ย And, thereโs maybe an even better chance that youโll help reduce the spread of influenza to people around you.
The downsides of getting a flu shot are small. Youโll have to get to a place where they are offering the flu shot. The needle poke will hurt for a moment. Your arm might be sore for a day or so.
And then thatโs it! Youโll have done your small part to protect yourself and others.
So, have you decided where to go to get your flu shot? You can find a place to get one here: VaccineFinder.org.
This article was reviewed and updated in September 2024.
Note:ย Over the past few years there have been occasional comments from readers complaining that my information on vaccination is inaccurate. I’ve decided to stop approving and responding to these comments. BetterHealthWhileAging.net exists to share what I consider “mainstream geriatrics,” which concurs with the public health recommendations from the CDC. People who disagree with these expert recommendations are free to hold their own opinions and can find other spaces online to post such opinions.ย
Betsy Van Markwyk says
Last year I asked the RN provider if they had the “high dose flu shot that’s for elderly people” for my 86-year-old mother, and she said “yes, that’s what this is”. But later Mom’s chart revealed she had received Flublok. We were disappointed, and researched it again this year. This time, both my mother and I spoke directly to the MD, saying “will this be the high-dose flu shot that’s for seniors”, and he said “yes, that’s what we have for you today”. But according to her chart, she again got the Flublok. I sent an inquiry to the MD’s nurse, asking her to ask the MD which shot she actually got. The nurse called my mother and assured her she got “the high dose” flu shot. I sent a message back, asking if she meant Mom got the Fluzone High-Dose that is approved for 65 and over”. She said Mom got the Flublok, and she claimed that WAS the high-dose shot just for 65 and over. Same thing happened for my elderly mother-in-law. They said it would be the High-Dose, but she got Flublok. Clearly, the providers giving the shots don’t know that the High-Dose version exists. They must think that “quadrivalent” means “high dose”. So for the second year, my mother didn’t get the requested shot and is less protected than she could be. Next year, we will be sure to say the words FLUZONE HIGH-DOSE QUADRIVALENT, and ask to see the vial. Have you found this to be a universal problem? That providers don’t know what you are talking about when you say “High-dose Flu shot especially for Seniors”?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I can’t say that I’ve had a lot of experience with providers misunderstanding the types of flu shots, but there are a lot of shots out there. It sounds like your experience has been frustrating! I’m so glad that you have so much knowledge about the flu shot and can advocate in such an informative way.
Brenda Barnett says
67 year old senior. We were given our senior quad flu shots at the beginning of Sept (first week available).This is earlier than past years. Weโre in average good health. What is this years expected duration of protection? Should or could we consider another (booster)shot ,even if we pay for it ourselves. Thinking about March to April when hopefully Covid Quarantine Is easing. Our exposure could significantly increase at that point as the world possibly lifts restrictions. Any possible benefit?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I’m so glad to hear that you got your flu shot! Remember that it takes a couple of weeks for the flu shot to be effective, and it’s recommended that individuals get the shot before the end of October, before flu season really begins. I couldn’t find any recommendations for booster shots, although if the shot is given too early, it could “wear off” before the end of the season, and the duration of a given flu season is difficult to predict. Still, I can’t say that getting a booster is necessary based on current information.
Also, even if restrictions about infection control practices ease, individuals can continue to maintain social distancing, masking, hand hygiene and other measures to stay well, whether it’s mandated by government or not. Hope you stay safe and healthy this season!
Donald Pelkey says
I would like to know what is in the flue shot. After reading what was in the last one .I am a little scared to get one this year I am 74 years old
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I’m sorry that you’re scared of the flu shot, but there’s really no need. You can read about the ingredients in the various flu shot formulations at the CDC website, here.
Bret Williams says
I am 57 and relatively healthy. I am wondering why Flumist is not recommended for my age?
Nicole Didyk, MD says
According to what I’ve read, the Flumist is a quadrivalent, live attenuated influenza vaccine. It can be given intranasally. The most recent large scale (or meta-) analysis that I came across, reported that there are no randomized controlled trials (those are well-designed scientific trials) of this type of vaccine in individuals over the age of 8. The best evidence seems to indicate that it’s most effective for small children (aged 7 or under). So, I suspect that the Flumist isn’t recommended because of lack of evidence.
Cynthia Earl says
My 86 yo mother thinks she received a flu shot in August 2020. Her pharmacy has no records & her primary care has no records. What would happen if she is correct & gets another flu shot for her age group? She does not drive & my Uncle doesn’t believe she received the injection.
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I’m not sure if a provider would have had flu shots to give out as early as August 2020, and the CDC recommends that July or August is too early for a flu vaccine. If someone accidentally got an additional flu shot, the risk would be almost negligible, and definitely less risky than not getting vaccinated at all.
Joel Gelb says
Thanks. this was useful and as far as i can tell, accurate. appreciate the info and effort.
Jim Dorsey says
Only Flublok, a recombinant vaccine, and Flucelvax, which uses a cell-based manufacturing process, do NOT use eggs to produce the viruses used for flu vaccines. Egg-based vaccines encounter “drift” during the incubation process which can greatly impair the effectiveness of the vaccine.
E.g.:
“The two other ways of growing viruses for flu vaccines donโt have this problem because they donโt use eggs to replicate. In recombinant vaccine technologyโthe most recently developed of the three methodsโscientists take antigens from the WHO-supplied viruses, transcribe them into DNA, then use a plasmid to insert the sequences into the cells of Spodoptera frugiperda, commonly called the fall armyworm, says Litjen Tan, chief strategy officer at the Immunization Action Coalition (IAC). The armyworm cells produce large amounts of the flu antigens, which are exact copies of the ones in the viruses from the WHO. Scientists separate and collect the antigen proteins, purify them, and put them in flu vaccines in place of inactivated viruses. The pharmaceutical company Sanofi Pasteur makes this type of vaccine under the name Flublok.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7047267/#:~:text=Growing%20influenza%20viruses%20in%20eggs,to%20make%20the%20flu%20vaccine.
Flublok produces 45, or three times the HA protection of 15 offered by all other vaccines, according to the CDC 2020 vaccine guide. Fluzone high-dose vaccine produces 60 HA, but its egg-based manufacture increases the risk it won’t match the targeted viral strains.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/rr/rr6908a1.htm?s_cid=rr6908a1_w
CDC discussions of Flublok and recombinant vaccines note that it is not subject to incubation drift.
So, as a senior, I’ve selected Flublok Quadrivalent as my primary flu vaccine the last two years. I get a second booster shot in December or January, hopefully Flucelvax, which is the only other vaccine manufactured not using eggs (however, it produces only 15 HA).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27020713/
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Thanks for sharing the research that you’ve done into the recombinant vaccine! Here’s what the CDC has to say about Flublok. Theoretically, a recombinant vaccine can better match the strain of seasonal flu. In practice, it appears to be superior to a standard dose of inactivated flu vaccine, but hasn’t been compared to the high dose vaccine, which is what we currently recommend for older adults.
Jody Savage says
Given that the last flu season ended early due to social distancing, if we are strictly quarantined to prevent the more infectious coronavirus, why is it โextra importantโ to get a flu vaccine? A person strictly quarantined for coronavirus wonโt ever be exposed to the flu.
Nicole Didyk, MD says
I’ve heard similar comments from my patients and I’m happy for the chance to address this idea.
Despite best efforts at quarantine and isolation, there are still unavoidable risks that can expose a person to a virus like the flu or COVID. The CDC frequently asked questions section on flu season 2020-2021 provides a helpful summary, which you can read here.
Both the flu and COVID are in the community and both can lead to serious illness and hospitalization, and even death. The best way to stay well is to combine good infection control practices and immunization.
Linda Kessel says
My mother is 97 years old. She has been under home hospice care for two years having a diagnosis of Congestive Heart Failure. She now relies on a Nebulizer and round-the-clock oxygen to keep her comfortable. A recent episode of paranoid delusion lasted about 3 weeks but is no longer active thanks to a psychotropic drug. She has some cognitive decline but is not demented. Hospice will NOT provide a flu shot.
Sheโs been housebound for 10 months and has CNA caregivers 24/7. Does she need the flu shot? If she does, how would we get it for her?
Thank you for your thoughts.
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Hi Linda and I’m sorry to hear that your mom is living with Congestive Heart Failure. I can understand the hospice not giving a flu shot, as the goal is usually comfort above all else. A flu shot might prevent the flu, but could cause some discomfort for your mom. If she got the flu, she might pass away from its effects, but being in hospice care, the hospice team could control all of her symptoms so that it would cause a minimum of suffering.
On the other hand, a person who is living with CHF and frail is more likely to get the flu and become ill with it, so many would advocate for someone like your mother to get immunized.
It wouldn’t be reasonable to expect her to go out to a flu clinic, so in such a situation I would recommend calling the primary care provider or the local public health unit to see how a shot could be dispensed from a pharmacy and administered by a community nurse. This may not be covered by insurance.
Barbara Pelletier says
Last year and this year , I received the high dose flu shot. Last year, my arm hurt quite badly after the injection, but not this year. Both last year and this year, I went about my normal life, and became extremely tired. I remember thinking, why do I feel so tired and blah! Last year it was at least a week before I felt back to normal. This year, I felt really tired, but then I started feeling better, so I put on my PPE and went out. Within an hour, I felt so tired, I had to come back home and lie down. I became frightened, and started wondering if I had covid symptoms. Then, I realized, oh yeah. Last year, I ran the gamut of very mild flu symptoms, so that’s what’s going on still.
I had the flu in 1987, and I’ve gotten the shot every year since. I never had any side effects until getting the high-dose, but that’s not going to stop me from getting the shot. The flu was bad enough at age 37. And yes, I know those side effects are real from the flu shot are real.
Barbara
Barbara Pelletier says
I know I made some mistakes above in my typing/composing. If I could just remember how long it takes until the side effects subside, I would be so happy!
Nicole Didyk, MD says
Thanks for sharing your experience and I’m so happy to hear that you got your shot! I’m not sure how the flu shot would cause fatigue like you describe, but soreness at the injection site is definitely common and can be very uncomfortable. I appreciate that you’re making an effort to get out and be active, and that would help to get back to a normal energy level as soon as possible.
Dawn Jackson says
I actually found this page from google trying to find out why my symptoms are worse this year than ever before (I get the flu shot every year). Barbara Pelletier commented about how tired she is – YES!!! I AM SOOOO TIRED after getting the shot this year, and I only got the regular dose! I also feel stronger side effects this year than in previous years, including the injection site redness was very large at 3.5″ x 1.5″. Very glad I got my shot Friday night so I had all weekend to rest, although being at work today I still am so tired and feel like crud. I just wanted you to know you aren’t alone with your symptoms this year Barbara, and I sure wish I knew how long it will be until I feel better!